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Money Memories, Knowing How Much Is Enough and Conscious Wealth: Brandon Hatton #4

September 15, 2022 • Nathan Hurd

#3 - Brandon is President and Chief Investment Officer of Hatton Investments. He endeavors to help his clients live abundant, intentional lives. He specializes in family dynamics around multi-generational wealth and advises clients who seek to use their financial assets to help make a positive impact through investments and philanthropy.

He is the author of "Conscious Wealth". Conscious Wealth helps readers achieve not only family communication and healthy personal interactions with money but also a means to greater impact the world through investments and a Conscious Wealth philosophy

Falling back on the lessons learned during his own journey, Brandon provides a clearly illustrated mindset around money and a framework around investments, both of which allow readers to focus on what matters most during their wealth creation journey.

Brandon has traveled the world many times over, opened a school in Egypt with a team of four co-founders, and taught history in Lebanon and Brazil. He enjoys sailing, reading poetry, and cooking whenever he has a chance.

Brandon explains what Conscious Wealth is [10:05]

The one question he was taught to ask prospective clients in his early wealth management days and why the financial industry perpetuates scarcity and fear [15:54]

Brandon describes the first level in Conscious Wealth, Abundance. [19:49]

Brandon's own money story about the danger of pursuing money above all else [23:50]

How to discover your own level of scarcity [29:32]

Determining how much money is enough [36:00]

The "Enough Equation" [38:32]

Difference between "enhancement" and "enrichment" and transforming money into purpose [42:08]

Higher levels of Conscious Wealth: Impact and Unity [47:37]

www.brandonhatton.com
www.hattoninvestments.com
https://www.linkedin.com/in/brandonthatton/

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Nathan Hurd: All right, brandon Thank you so much for being here, I am i've been really looking forward to this conversation.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Thanks thanks for having me thanks for having me.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: I just had to hide myself us to see what's going on behind the scenes here it's a it's absolutely terrible how much we have to look at ourselves in any given day.

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Nathan Hurd: yeah and so much so much more in remote remote living.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Yes, yes, and I live in Miami beach and.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: it's almost like the land of selfies because, if I don't see myself enough and it is walking down the street and it's constant selfies I go see the sunrise I tried to get to it a couple times a week on the beach.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: And 50% of the people are meditating and the other 50% are just taking selfies or they've got an entire camera crew and I live in the land of the influencer it's interesting.

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Nathan Hurd: Oh, my gosh talk about the land of two extremes there.

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Nathan Hurd: With the meditators and the selfie.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Chris yeah.

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Nathan Hurd: Well, listen i'm so excited to to dive into your your your experience your wisdom your story and and the wonderful book you've you've put out there, but I thought we might end going back through and.

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Nathan Hurd: doing some research for this interview, I came across a little tidbit from your background, and I wonder if you could speak to it before we dive in which was that, as I understand it, there was a point in time, where you ended up very far from Miami in fact in Egypt as a history teacher.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: yeah.

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Nathan Hurd: And I wonder if you could just share a little bit about how how'd that come to pass, and what was the what was the most interesting part of that experience.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Who.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: I guess i'll start with everything was interesting every day was just bonkers it was my first time living overseas living overseas because my first time being a teacher is my first time living alone.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: living in a foreign country with a foreign language, because they don't really they didn't really speak English, I mean it was like a lot of firsts and I was full in culture shock.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Which if you know much about culture shock, the first part is euphoria, which was awesome and then eventually there's the side and then you find equilibrium, where you can learn to accept a society or even I think that's probably just some other type of.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: it's probably an extrapolation of other types of theories that happened with your life all the time when you face something that's extremely different.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: But everything was interesting I loved it how I got there I in summers and spring breaks, I was Julie on the cruise ships, I think, which was like the youth activities director was the best job ever I was working.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Maximum like 22 hours a week, and just hanging out with kids doing like Bingo and pool parties and making tie dye shirts and traveling the world and.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: You know that was interesting too because we're talking about money, like.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: I was from Cleveland I am from Cleveland Ohio we you know and We grew up in a family, which was in the 1980s.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: You know my father owned a restaurant and I never felt like we had a lot of money, we definitely had more money than I thought, but I always felt like we didn't have a lot.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: But then I went on cruise ships and it was the first time I ever had an Espresso and even heard of Espresso.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: And because there was no starbucks when we grew up and sushi was something really where the people in California never had salmon before seven wasn't as common I mean I don't remember salmon being everywhere in the 1980s and so and duck.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: And all this other stuff, and so there was there was this whole like for me in you know cruise ships try to create a sense of wealth and, for me it was really interesting to be part of this, the first time, and I was just like wow like where is where is all this stuff bid.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: And, but there also got to a point where I was tired of visiting places.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: i'd go into I mean you name it i've been there that's not true, but i've been to like 35 different ports of call but of them like somebody somebody will ask me like have you been to Greece, and I said well i've been there, but I haven't really experienced it I spent a day or two here.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: day or two there and I really wanted to experience something.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: So I I quit the cruise ships which was hard to do because they dangled the world cruise at me like I said i'm quitting and they said well we're going to offer the world cruise which is 90 days not see.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: In 90 days at sea 45 port days I believe so that's pretty cool but there's no kids on the ship and I was like what.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: The ship i'm a youth activities director, I said well you know we'll we'll have you run adult activities and that never really interest me, I mean I was like 20 something and I didn't want to play shuffleboard.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: And I really wanted to live somewhere, so I kind of job in Egypt and I went it was amazing yeah I opened a school there I could open a school with some other people yeah.

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Nathan Hurd: wow wow so how long how long were you there before you came back.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: I was there for one year, while I was there, there was a woman selling books to our school because we were brand new school and she was from Lebanon my family's originally from Lebanon like 100 years ago.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: I said, well, I want to go there, and so I went and visited her I applied I got that job for two years.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: I was, to my knowledge, the only American history teacher on September 11 living in Lebanon, but there may have been one or two others, and that was a little scary but I, and I remember the.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: scary, but I also remember thinking feel safer here than the US, because if you remember in the US, there were some real scary times like we didn't know if there's another thing happening or if they're putting something in subways or didn't envelopes.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: But I remember talking to the ambassador, the US ambassador in Lebanon, I so i've got a bag it's packed underneath my bed.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: When i'm gonna let me know when I should evacuated and she said she just looked me square in the eyes and she said, if I let you know when to evacuate you should have probably already lost like two weeks ago.

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Nathan Hurd: Right.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Right and I use that story a lot with my clients when we're talking about markets and getting out when things are frothy we can come back to that, but.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: So I left after two years, that was three years in the Middle East, it was a lot for me i'm a pretty empathetic guy and there's a lot of tension over there, particularly the final year.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: I knew I was coming to the region I didn't want to be in a region where there was a war, I was lucky to live in Lebanon of relative peace for two years and, and so I took a job in Brazil and I taught there for.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Four years I did four years of teaching all history in American schools emphasis on public safety, human rights, economics, but history in general yeah.

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Nathan Hurd: Well that's um yeah that that experience, I can only imagine was was really interesting and now you have gone on to do so many other things.

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Nathan Hurd: I guess maybe for anyone who's unaware of your career your at least your more recent career and your work or how you think about your work, could you just talk a bit about your background and how you think about your work at this point.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: yeah well right now I I run a so we manage let's see let's start over so right now we run in registered investment in ra.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: And so we manage money for clients and we do it under the philosophy of conscious wealth or conscious wealth management.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: And the belief that the way that we manage money, the way that we interact with our clients.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: And with all of our stakeholders can cultivate consciousness can cultivate abundance cultivate purpose.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: help individuals create an impact and unify people transforming money which can be something of fear, or maybe a way to keep score into something that can really create fulfilling lives and and I truly believe that the way we run our business and the way we work with our clients.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: can facilitate them.

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Nathan Hurd: gotcha and I think you touched on on there, but would you just go through what is the definition or how do you define conscious wealth and what are the what are its component parts you mentioned them up.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Just yeah so I published a book in.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: October, and it was just based on a lot of the experiences I had of working with some very successful clients who navigated this.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: who've navigated the complexities of having financial assets and there are quite a bit of complexities around it, and what I saw in best practices, amongst them was that.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: They had a mindset and conscious wealth is like is a mindset around money that can help cultivate abundance.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: purpose impact in unity, and so I broken into four different levels, but these four levels coexist at all times it's not a stepping stone or ladder one to the other.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: But they're all levels of transformation ways that you can you know if we think about money being energy which it is its basic form it's just a piece of paper, but you got that paper.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: because somebody probably yourself and many other people have put energy forth to have that.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: And so, what do you do with that energy, you know, and one thing you can do is just spend it on lifestyle and the problem, though, is spending it on lifestyle is that it's never enough.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: yeah it's never enough lifestyle it's like the horizon and it just keeps on going and it keeps on going and a lot of people have had that experience in life, saying well when I make.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: This milestone, a year, then i'm going to be happy, and then they grow into that and they say Well now, I want to make this milestone, I want to make this milestone, and it keeps on going further out.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: And sometimes it's on their own and sometimes it's their family has been part of that and so really the whole book was about figuring out how much is enough.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: I really like how much is enough, and how can you come to peace with that answer in if you know how much is enough, then, what do you do with the rest.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: And in society, I think we're talking about two different extreme answers either you hoard it or you give it all away well.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Those neither of those sound really attractive just stacking a bunch of money in your bank account might make you.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Make might make you think you're going to feel better but rarely, we find that to be true, and just giving it all away.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: that's a pretty big step, and so what we did, and what I did within this book was talking about all the different things you could do with it create purpose create impact in your lives but, more importantly, the people around you and then create unity.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: In money as a unifying factor is countercultural particularly today, but I do believe that that that is its promise.

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Nathan Hurd: um man I that that resonates a lot with me and my experience as well and.

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Nathan Hurd: Before we go any further into the book i'd love to hear how the book came about, so what like what were some of the beliefs, that you had early in your days as a wealth manager or investment advisor that you that have changed, you know and and.

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Nathan Hurd: And then, it had led you towards the conscious wealth book to begin with.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: yeah man, I mean originally I wanted to write the book.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: I think that you know if the most the most truthful answer is, I originally wrote the book because I thought it would be something really good to get my name out there and bringing clients.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: And because that's what we were trained to do.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Like if you work in a broker dealer which I started in the broker dealer it was like just bringing clients just bring in clients just bring in clients.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: And so you get that kind of in your mindset, and so I was like well, how could I do that well i'll write a book and that's why I started.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: And when that was the purpose of writing my book, it never got published and then, when it flipped to.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: I have something really important to say throughout this process i've learned a lot and i've learned a lot just through my own transformation and work but, listening to others, particularly my clients, then.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: It got published and like pretty quickly to like a year and a half, it was out the door, we just took all these different parts melded them together and.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: put my current.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: You know my current understanding around life or just bringing my present self to it and it came to life really quickly.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: So that's how it came about and then as soon as it got out in the world, which it is now it's really about the message like, how can I, how can I help as many people see that that life really begins when we stop fearing about money now.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: That could be a really elitist thing to say, and I understand that, because a lot of people really do have fears around money in those fears are real so i'm not trying to say that that's not.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: That that's not a reality for many people in this country.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: But when i'm also saying is there's a tremendous amount of well I don't want to talk about other people talking about myself, there was a lot of time in my life when I feared money when it was no longer necessary.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: And so I wrote that book for myself when I was going through that and anyone else who might be going through that.

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Nathan Hurd: yeah I you know I, I agree with you that it's hard to build on fear and so when you start at that place whatever level.

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Nathan Hurd: I do think you're 100% right it's very hard to build from that place have you what's your experience been let's let's just take anyone listening or watching this.

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Nathan Hurd: Who might have had might currently have an experience with a financial advisor or an investment advisor or might have had experiences with them, I mean the things that you're saying here are not what you typically hear when you go into the office of a wealth manager so.

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Nathan Hurd: What do you think what do you think contributes to that, why is it you know, is in fact the industry.

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Nathan Hurd: Does the industry needs some evolution, or what is it about the industry that reinforces that fear.

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Nathan Hurd: If you think it does.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: yeah no Sir i'm.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: going to go back to your statement, which I thought was really good and it impacted me, which is it's hard to build on fear.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: And when I was going to the industry, when I was going through the training we had you know this this this man had really great charisma and he was always training us on stuff and one of the things he would say is.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: You need to meet someone at a cocktail party and you say what is your what keeps you up at night that was it like that was the one liner like what keeps you up at night.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: And I like that's a terrible way to start a conversation that is in so like Why would I base my business proposition on like i'm going to help you sleep better it's just.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Like and although I think there's some truth to that like just drumming up the fears and so it is.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Look, the financial services industry has continued to create more responsibilities to financial advisors wealth managers CFP whatever you call them.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: they've thrown so much on us if you go back to the 1970s, all we did we I wasn't part of the business at that time, but all they did was dropped tickets.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: And you would just you know and that word is still around today yeah I dropped a ticket or something like that we don't like we're everything on discretion, but it was just you just sold stuff in that there was no real information out there, we were the keepers of the keys the.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Like that what was the ef Hutton expression listen to your listeners are going to kill me for not knowing this when you have hutton's everybody listens that's what it was.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: it's this idea, like we had all this information in slowly we've.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: That information has been completely democratized everybody has it now it's so much that not everybody can digest it but it's out a lot of the information is out there and now we're asked to be estate planners and we're asked to do, I mean pet wills right like.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: A will, for your dog we're looking at five to nine and so all this other stuff got added and it's a lot it's a lot to handle.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: And the one thing that as this information has gotten taken away from us is that the industry is increasingly said, well, the way that we're going to keep them to show that we're smarter than them.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: we're going to and how do you make somebody feel that you're smarter than them well, obviously.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: it's not necessary it's not true, I can't be smarter than ever, I can be more disciplined.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: I can run a better process but trying to prove that I have a better mousetrap is near impossible, and the only way it's possible is if I make people feel that they're afraid.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: And so, if you look at the marketing out there for very large institutions who are hoping to hold on to more clients it's based on fear.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Well, I can't be smarter than anyone, as I said, I can run a better practice I can be more disciplined I can help very complex situations, I can get them information that they don't have, but if I can't be smarter than them then i'm just going to have to care.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Like really care, but i'm gonna have to love my clients and i'm going to have to show that I love them through my actions and go to war for them in any way that I can go to battle for them let's use the word battle, not war.

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Nathan Hurd: The question of what keeps you up at night, I mean the thing about that question is it presupposes that everything having to do with money is like terrifying and.

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Nathan Hurd: Like a lot of the retirement conversations that happen behind closed doors it's let's make sure you don't run out.

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Nathan Hurd: Right or that you have to your point you have enough, and the whole conversation is about like.

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Nathan Hurd: You know, making sure that we kind of weasel way enough just to make sure it lasts and yeah um but, but you know what this actually is a makes me think of the first tenant in your book so maybe we could talk about that a little bit I type which I love.

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Nathan Hurd: Thank you, which, which I believe is abundance but.

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Nathan Hurd: And you know I think you really do.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Yes to the first level that we talked about in, and I say these things aren't.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: And that's that more often than not, you feel like you have enough.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Look how you get there, and one of the ways that you get there is examining your beliefs around money or what we call money memories, many of us have scarce money memories and that would be completely reasonable.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: You know the parents are doing their best and, but these are things that we might hold on to forever the money memory stories i've heard from people are phenomenal when I asked them i'm going to ask you, do you mind if I ask your question.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Sure, all right What was your earliest memory about money.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Sure sure, and then in the next step, which we won't do on live podcast or discussion, but then, and thanks for sharing that like I put you on the spot, and thanks, and I love that and I would.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Keeping really valuable things under my bed do I still do that today, or if I move to the other end of the spectrum and fought against what I saw and so that and that's what we do within the book is look I give examples of my money memories, some of the things that I grew up with and.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Right precisely.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: that's very much what i'm talking about and sometimes can be a controversial negative statement, but nothing is created without something being destroyed and, in my case I destroyed my health and my my social circle and from there went back to the office.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: And I had to be you know, and I had to be quiet, I had to be quiet couldn't talk so all I did was sit around the office and listen and, at the time I was like this is like a silent meditation like i'm just walking around the office listening and I really didn't like what I saw.

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Nathan Hurd: I think what i'm hearing you suggest, which i've certainly had this experience myself, is that this scarcity really can drive behaviors like what the story you just described and and it can be.

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Nathan Hurd: compromising for areas that are really important, how would you suggest, someone think about whether or not they have a heightened level of scarcity.

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Nathan Hurd: And like what what what could they do to explore that and then what steps could they start to take what are like the first couple steps they might take to to try to address it.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: The one that comes to mind is when the ice cream man came around I went to my dad's ashtray which had coins in it, because he would empty coins out when he came home every day, I would just go ice cream all my siblings were like, how do you always have money, and I was like well you know.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: I won't go on a tangent but i'll come back to that tangent and then so you look at what do I actually feel like feel and then you take an abundant moment.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: The fire isn't always needed and there's sometimes in your life, where you have too much scarcity, so I don't want people I get a lot of times in my workshop saying well should I just always be abundant see no not necessarily.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Is that you're not doing your job if you're not scared once in a while you don't like you like if you're not making decisions that sometimes make you want to.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: work with our clients who are having those same fears and not always represent those or bring that to them and have an abundant mindset and the balance between the emotional intelligence needed to work with clients and.

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Nathan Hurd: So for anyone that's listening to this and you're right, I think a lot of people are potentially involved in the finance world, but at least are aspiring to live.

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Nathan Hurd: That is optimal for approaching, you know, wealth creation and investment decision making that leans one way or the other, I mean do you have do you feel like there's an optimal place.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Thanks to a lot of my mentors for teaching me this The goal is to have range The goal is to be able to bring in scarcity, when you need it and bring it abundance when you need it.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Just like I was saying, when we're in my day to day work knowing when I need to have an abundant mindset and when I need to have a scarcity and me moment and that's going to change from moment to moment day to day and face to face in my life.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: I needed a scarcity mindset when I started in this business because, as I said, it's a somewhere less than 10% success ratio, but I held on to that for too long, and so the goal is to have enough range know when to call in the cavalry for each side.

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Nathan Hurd: yeah it does it definitely does well so let's go back to that the question you posed earlier, which is.

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Nathan Hurd: If if we can identify the the money memories and get a better sense of whether we are generally leaning scarce or abundant yeah as our core position you mentioned do I have enough or how much is enough.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: I do like i'm it's constant.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Its constant, especially if you're living in Miami beach.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: there's oftentimes moments, or even just like Oh, maybe, maybe I would like to have this type of house or this type of that and so it's it's constant its constant, but the where I can get more in that abundance space there's one component that's financial.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: That doesn't make people stop worrying, the other is yeah but it's it's important number to have so we look at that number, how much you actually have plus.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: How much you spend we look at kind of like how much you actually need how much of that spending, could you cut down in a moment's notice it's kind of important we look at that and we look at our memories like these money memories and then we we divide it by.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Our expectations, so I mentioned before, that I didn't ever expect to have financial assets, I always want to know, but I never expected him so every once in a while and i'm sick I hang out with my friends from Cleveland and.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: You know, we go to a nice steak house and we have a great meal and we just looked at each other and you never think we'd be able to do this when we were kids no.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: You know the hard thing about answering the question how much is enough because everybody wants to know that the question is like you really need to know how long you're going to live, and you know.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: If I it's one of those things of learning to live with the discomfort of not knowing and being grateful for what you have and just trusting in your grit or you're you're trusting him you're trusting in your resilience, I would say yeah that.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: i'm if I lost everything I still be okay right finding safety within.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: As opposed to without and that's easy to say like oh i'm going to find safety within because I have all this money to protect me but it's also good to practice that there's many opportunities to practice safety from within and not from external forces.

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Nathan Hurd: Interesting that's yeah you know you I know this there's a big section in the book about this so for for anyone listening or watching that it's it's a there's a lot of good content there that can help walk you through this, but I think I heard you mentioned an equation.

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Nathan Hurd: And do you find when people go through this process that the payoff what is the payoff it sounds like there's a kind of a psychological payoff but.

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Nathan Hurd: what's um what's the main benefit would you say that that comes from going through this exercise.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: here's the crazy thing about getting to a point where you have enough.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Which only works if you do it it's a weird it's a weird twist how do I explain this like it's like.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: If you get to a point where you don't feel like you need more money, you will attract people who want to work with you.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: And there's no real way to explain it and you can't you can only get there by doing it for good intentions, not for to it, because you can't get there by meaning to make more money that makes sense, so one of the big payoff is, you will have by embracing abundance, you will have more abundance.

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Nathan Hurd: And those decisions are usually sub optimal are oftentimes suboptimal at the at the very least, and so I do think that you know.

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Nathan Hurd: Many great investors have an optimism that the markets are going to continue over long term to go up and those sorts of things and they're looking for businesses and sectors and innovations and those kinds of things that.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: it's a tough gig it's something completely out of control and it's, not even a value add.

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Nathan Hurd: yeah um I recall when when I was reading I think it was even in the very early part of the book, you made a distinction which i'd love to ask you about at this at this point, which was the difference between finance and investing.

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Nathan Hurd: mm hmm could you uh you know these terms get thrown around and oftentimes I think conflated and but I thought I really appreciated the way you, you talked about them, could you describe how you think about the difference.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: is to really make the world better right is to create liquidity, so that we can build things that we need or to start businesses that we need is to facilitate the construction of business, which should be.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: As I said just recently just a second ago is value add creating value for other people.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: and investing, on the other hand, I, the purpose of investing is really is really to make money that's it and I tell the story, if you get I would love i'm honored that you read it, and the first the first.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: In the introduction, we talked about talking to students about that and that's kind of.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: You know, you know, and you said I think i'm can we can I can I can I pivot on this for a second.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Because i'm just having trouble i'm struggling with this and my mice on the right place, can we jump to a question of the difference between enhancement enrichment and will bring us right into a.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: purpose.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Absolutely let's do that yeah cuz I feel like i'm going backwards and i'm a little i'm just yeah.

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Nathan Hurd: let's do it, so there was another distinction that you made in the book that I really appreciated and I hadn't really thought about the difference here.

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Nathan Hurd: Before before reading what you wrote about it, which is the difference between enhancement and enrichment and could you just describe how you think about those those two concepts and their differences.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: So that and that's part of the second level of conscious about that we talked about which is purpose and we try to you know purpose is such a big word.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: purpose is is the sense of feeling alive the they are using Thomas Merton quote the tree gives glory to God by being a tree.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: And the repeat that the tree gives glory to God by being a tree, which is this idea that my purpose in life is not to be anyone else, or to do anything we're human beings are not human doings and i'm just supposed to be me.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: And that how I can, what I do in life, to bring out the highest form of who I am the highest expression of who I am.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: And that's my purpose it doesn't have to be to build like an investment firm it to write a book or any of that it's just to be myself.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: And then, if that's the case if you accept that to be as purpose, it takes a lot of pressure off and then you can start looking at your spending say when I spend money.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Does that help me, be a better brand you know, am I, giving glory to God by being a better tree or however you want to define that and and it's sometimes it's a black and white answer so i'm sure we could think of example I can think let's think of some things I spend money on I sale.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Talking or making jokes and I starting to create a Community starting to get on other people's boats, so that to me is money that's bringing out my truest sense, and so I spoke of my truest essence and I spoke of earlier how wealth.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: And you can you have the assets to do that, you can use money in my case, to buy a boat so fun boat that and pay first slip fee my slip fee here's.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: earned to reconnect with myself, and when I go to the office, the next day i'm a nicer person when I go home i'm a nicer person i'm more kind generous and loving and so that's an example of an enrichment.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: can go to a Michelin star restaurant I think there's like a good deal of them here and the meal is going to cost me for for me just me on my side of the table anywhere from like 400 to $600 to eat there and i'm going to be sitting down.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: And I respect all that, but that is not an, that is, that is an enhancement from the it's kind of cool makes my life, a little bit easier.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: So figuring out maybe it maybe it does, maybe you're a foodie like, but the point is to look at how you're spending money in way, did you spend it is a form of transformation you're taking it into an experience.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: And so, how are you transforming it and how is it bringing out your truest sense or your purpose.

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Nathan Hurd: I love it yeah so so all under the context of purpose and you when I when you were talking, I was thinking about all the things that I might spend money on and where they would fall.

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Nathan Hurd: Under enhancement or enrichment and that's a yeah that is such a great way to think about the value of purchase or an investment of resources that you're about to make I love that.

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Nathan Hurd: But the other two sections, could you just touch on what those up the other two sections are and and give kind of an overarching framework.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: yeah sure, so the first two sections, the first two levels.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Are punctuated by questions you know I have enough.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: And purpose is I am enough i'm enough of a person I can spend on myself it's okay to give to myself.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: But when you get beyond that into the higher levels of conscious wealth which are impacting unity you start to really call into question, so there no they're no longer statements their questions, so instead of I have enough is.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Do I have anything at all right, like we know we can't take money with us.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: And so, if we can take it with us, is it really ours in our lifetime, or are we merely custodians and if i'm a custodian what is my responsibility and how am I.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: How am I to use this to impact the lives of other people so that they can cultivate abundance and purpose.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: And so that that would be Level three and again, these are all simultaneously happening and level four is not I am enough, but am I am I at all, am I, separate from anyone else can I be successful if other people aren't successful can I can I.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: If i'm going in these can come into questions around inheritance to like.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: What do I do with my money, how much is enough for my kids and if I am no separate than other human beings, then.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: It doesn't make sense for me to give my entire inheritance to my kids or, should I give them to other people's kids, in other words strangers or nonprofits and so how can I use this so in actually.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Actually practicing that of like it's hard to like, if you look at the esoteric like if you just think esoteric like yeah we're all connected okay great what do I do with that, like how what does that mean, how do I create unity well like I don't know it's hard to.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: You know, ask a guru but if it's me, I would say, go ahead and give start giving money away.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Like not just giving it on the street, although you can, but like taking money and and coming up with a charitable plan.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: and supporting other people because there's one side of the spectrum that says this world is tough, I want to make sure everything's good for my kids and the other is saying.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: hey this world is tough and I want to make sure the world is better for my kids and during your lifetime supporting both of those people, you know and don't know and just the act of doing that will unite other people.

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Nathan Hurd: Man when I read the section of the book it really struck me for a few reasons number one you know it seems to me like you know I have five kids have young kids and.

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Nathan Hurd: If I am going to squirrel away everything I have and then give it to them at some level it is kind of a scarcity mentality around like it has to stay in my family and I.

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Nathan Hurd: You know, I have to make sure they're Okay, is that they can't you know function on their own and create on their own.

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Nathan Hurd: But also, I think you're really onto something there because when i've given away money to specific charities that I appreciate during hard years and it almost feels better and more right.

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Nathan Hurd: When it's harder to do.

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Nathan Hurd: yeah and i've also started recently to think about you know what are the What are the causes that i'm giving to and are they the most impactful when you actually break it down like.

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Nathan Hurd: You know, is giving to the Red Cross, making the same impact as it is to another charity that functions a different way or that serves a different purpose and.

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Nathan Hurd: These are really wonderful and profound questions to be asking, so I am I really appreciate that you that you emphasize that, in the in the book.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: yeah.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: Thanks for thanks for sharing your experience too.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: yeah I think 2020 giving during 2020 was.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: so necessary and and, for me it was like well and we didn't know how 2020 was going to end up please your show like how we're going to finish the year.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: But I just knew, even though everything's down and things are crazy, I have a house and I can still work from home right, and so I felt like this was this was the time I needed to give to a food insecurity.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: And then deciding yeah all these questions that we work with our clients on so how much.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: And and and allow them as families to have discussions around it like what is our strategy we're going to give a big organization smaller organizations, how is it aligned to our values and kind of tracking that, in the same way.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: They you know tracking that, in the same way that our investments are this could be really valuable for our family.

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Nathan Hurd: Totally.

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Nathan Hurd: For sure totally.

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Nathan Hurd: Totally and you know and giving when times are tough it.

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Nathan Hurd: It is a really strong and powerful reminder that there is enough.

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Nathan Hurd: To do that.

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Nathan Hurd: And that there's someone else that needs it more than I do.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: You know, absolutely absolutely.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: yeah abundance.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: attracts abundance absolutely and begets abundance absolutely.

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Nathan Hurd: Well brandon this I could I could ask you questions about your thinking and this content.

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Nathan Hurd: For hours, but this has really been really been wonderful I really appreciate your time Thank you so much for for joining about you know joining me here on the conversation where can people that are listening find out more about you and the book and and follow your work or.

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Nathan Hurd: or learn more about what you do.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: yeah sure, so my websites brandon Hatton hh T T O n.com and then our that's what the book and a lot of the tools that we have in the book and then our business site is Hatton investments COM.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: So yeah Those are our two sites and if if any of your listeners read the book and how many questions or thoughts or share i'd love to hear from them, the emails or whatever would be welcome yeah.

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Nathan Hurd: perfect and are you on are you a social media user or have you.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: it's common man it's common it's not.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: it's a it's a lot to juggle and so i've been focusing on just social life.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: and media coming soon, but that's out there, a little bit what will build that out over time i'll be found.

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Nathan Hurd: i'm sure you're much better off for it with social life versus social media but.

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Nathan Hurd: Alright, well, thank you so much it's been a true pleasure and and if anybody has interest i'm will link to everything you just described in the show notes and yeah thanks again.

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Brandon.Hatton@hattoninvestments.com: awesome thanks.